Heaven, Hell, and the Weight of Self
This episode explores C.S. Lewis's depiction of heaven and hell in The Great Divorce, focusing on the struggles of pride and earthly attachment in Chapters 3 and 4. Through vivid character studies, we discuss the barriers to spiritual growth and the choices that shape our destinies.
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Chapter 1
Ghosts and Solid People
Timothy Chester
Chapters 3 and 4 of The Great Divorce mark a turning point as the ghosts arrive in the outskirts of Heaven—a radiant, solid land that overwhelms them with its unfamiliar reality. The grass is harder than diamond, a leaf heavier than coal, and the ghosts, including the narrator, are insubstantial—transparent “man-shaped stains” unable to affect their surroundings. Some, terrified by the intensity of this place, retreat immediately to the bus, while others grumble or posture, clinging to their old assumptions of respectability and status.
Timothy Chester
Soon, the “solid people of Heaven” appear—radiant, ageless beings whose very presence unsettles the ghosts. One key encounter unfolds between a “Big Ghost” and a spirit named Len, whom he had known as a murderer. The Big Ghost is outraged that Len, a killer, has found joy and forgiveness, while he—who claims to have lived a decent life—remains outside. Demanding his “rights,” he rejects Len’s invitation to receive “the Bleeding Charity.” Len gently explains that nothing in Heaven is earned, and confesses that his true sin was the hatred he nursed in his heart. But the Big Ghost, unable to release his pride, walks away—choosing self-righteousness over grace.
Timothy Chester
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